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Charlie Kirk, who's the leader of Turning Point USA, he came out and proceeded to talk like a preacher. The Word of God says, and he did a big long sermon. But he was using scripture and then directly tethering it to different political talking points like gun rights, school choice, you know,
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we need to take over the Senate because this Bible verse. And I'm watching as this room full of people... are eating it up, saying amen and hallelujah. And I thought, oh, this is not a political thing. This is a spiritual thing. Like this is a spiritual experience for these folks.

Summary

In this conversation, Pastor Caleb Campbell discusses the complexities of Christian nationalism, defining it as a political ideology, tribal identity, and spiritual idolatry. He emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between patriotism and nationalism, and warns against conflating Christian nationalism with conservatism. Campbell shares insights on identifying warning signs of Christian nationalism within evangelical churches and offers practical advice for engaging with those who hold these beliefs. He reflects on his experiences during the rise of the MAGA movement and the impact it had on his congregation, leading to the creation of his book, 'Disarming Leviathan.' The conversation also touches on the National Prayer Breakfast and the J29 Coalition, which aims to equip pastors in navigating civic engagement.

Takeaways

  • Christian nationalism is a political ideology, tribal identity, and spiritual idolatry.

  • Patriotism is love for one's country, while nationalism seeks power.

  • Christian nationalism is not inherently conservative or progressive.

  • Warning signs include Machiavellian methods and lack of the fruit of the Spirit.

  • Engagement should focus on the heart, not just facts.

  • Change takes time and often requires building trust.

  • The National Prayer Breakfast has bipartisan elements but can reflect Christian nationalist sentiments.

  • The J29 Coalition helps pastors engage in civic matters responsibly.

  • Hospitality and compassion are key in conversations with Christian nationalists.

  • Disarming Leviathan provides resources for understanding and addressing Christian nationalism.

Chapters

00:00 Understanding Christian Nationalism

07:12 Identifying Warning Signs

10:41 The Genesis of Disarming Leviathan

16:00 Engaging with Christian Nationalists

23:37 The National Prayer Breakfast Experience

30:28 J29 Coalition: Empowering Pastors

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Sue Eggart's avatar

It was wonderful to hear this interview and clearly see the heart of Jesus in this Pastor!

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Tracy Wemett's avatar

Really great discussion. Thank you!

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we need to take over the Senate because this Bible verse. And I'm watching as this room full of people... are eating it up, saying amen and hallelujah. And I thought, oh, this is not a political thing. This is a spiritual thing. Like this is a spiritual experience for these folks.